Home Forums Glorantha Glorantha Discussions Magical power boosts from channeling worship?

This topic contains 7 replies, has 5 voices, and was last updated by Profile photo of Charles Charles 5 years, 5 months ago.

Viewing 8 posts - 1 through 8 (of 8 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #5356
    Profile photo of Charles
    Charles
    Keymaster
    Quote:
    Quote from Jeff Richard on March 20, 2014, 14:06
    Additionally, the Jann receives massive amounts of magical energy as High Priest of Darleester, who receives some fraction of all the worship given to the Glorious Ones in Afadjann.

    Are there any stories that might help understand the difference this makes to a hero’s power?

    Are there constraints on how this power is used? For example, must be acting as the deity acted OR most not be used in opposition to the deity’s interests OR must generally act in line with the worshippers’ expectations?

    #7136
    Profile photo of Simon Phipp
    Simon Phipp
    Spectator

    The EWF did this, to a certain extent, I think.

    The Red Emperor siphons off some of the powers that are channelled through to the Red Goddess, or I think that he used to.

    The Dragon Emperor of Kralorela also does this.

    So, it is not unknown.

    I would guess that, once the power has reached the hero, it can be used in whatever way the hero wants.

    #7137
    Profile photo of Jeff Richard
    Jeff Richard
    Keymaster

    Lots of heroes and demigods receive magical energy from their followers’ worship, prayers, sacrifices, meditations, or whatever. In some religions, priests get a fraction of the energy intended for the gods or spirits (particularly when the god or spirit gives nothing directly back to the worshiper).

    How the power may be used varies widely. The Red Emperor receives vast amounts of magical energy since he is offered regular worship and sacrifices throughout the Empire, and receives a fraction of all the worship given his Mother. He uses that energy to be the Red Emperor, if that makes any sense.

    I am very reluctant to put this in mechanistic terms as per Runequest since: 1. it likely would be wrong, and 2. I am not sure it should be described mechanistically.

    #7138
    Profile photo of Jeff Richard
    Jeff Richard
    Keymaster

    BTW, even among the Orlanthi, I think this is pretty common. For example, after the Battle of the Auroch Hills, many Orlanthi offer worship to King Broyan, since he can wield Orlanth’s power (remember most Orlanthi cannot call upon Orlanth’s power directly until the Lunar magic is broken during the Battle of Pennel). The Prince of Sartar gets some fraction of the energy going to Sartar (assuming the Prince can perform the rites to the Sacred Flame – which Temertain cannot). And so on.

    #7140
    Profile photo of Charles
    Charles
    Keymaster

    Guessing a bit here…

    Because Broyan could manifest Orlanth’s power and because he could show he was the legitimate heir of Orlanth and Vingkot, many people offered sacrifices to Broyan as a path to Orlanth. However, implicit in these sacrifices, was an assumption that he would act with honour as High King of the Orlanthi.

    When Broyan allowed Harreck to sack the City of Wonders, whether he actively gave permission or just felt too weak to object, this broke the implicit assumption of honourable behaviour. When the Kitori released a demon to attack Broyan, he could not use his portion of the sacrificial power to defend himself. Not only that, the sacrificial power acted to block his own considerable personal power, leaving him effectively defenseless.

    Taking a further leap into the wild blue yonder, anyone that gets a lot of power this way becomes a demigod and new rules apply, see Jeff’s comments in the thread about Kaelith.

    Quote:
    Quote from Jeff Richard on March 6, 2014, 13:23
    Just as in central Genertela, a demigod displays the following:
    They never sweat
    They have unusual shadows
    Their inner souls are radiant, not dark
    They are bound by their word
    They are bound to certain activities and actions regardless of their preference.
    #7208
    Profile photo of Vaughan Cockell
    Vaughan Cockell
    Spectator

    So on some level, receiving Worship is inherently restricting in terms of the power gained?

    The “Great Compromise” restricted the Gods of Glorantha into their set patterns of behaviour, and established the worshipper-worshipped divide. It appears from that and this discussion that under the compromise the act of giving power through worship essentially “ethics-locks” the power given so its use has to follow certain rules depending on who/what the worshippers believe they are giving it to.

    Thus Broyan, when he authorised the sacking of the City of Wonders, acted against Orlanthi ethics and the “Orlanth power” had to oppose him, leaving him defenceless against the demon.

    This would make anyone trying for Apotheosis to be very careful about what associations their followers were making about them, to ensure their worship didn’t overly restrict them. Its also interesting to speculate the role of the Seven Mothers in keeping the ethical framework so open for the Red Goddess, as she doesn’t appear to be restricted by the Compromise. maybe the broad base of backgrounds and livelihoods of the 7 Mothers keeps open a very big ethical field, compared to most, along with illumination, of course.

    #7214
    Profile photo of Jenx
    Jenx
    Spectator

    The reason the Red Goddess doesn’t appear to be restricted by the Great Compromise is that she never actually participated in it. She was dead at the time, to quite Eddie Izzard.
    And when she came back to life, it was within Time and within the Middle World, which is why all of the other gods were not at all happy with her.

    #7215
    Profile photo of Charles
    Charles
    Keymaster
    Quote:
    Quote from Vaughan Cockell on March 28, 2014, 10:26
    Thus Broyan, when he authorised the sacking of the City of Wonders, acted against Orlanthi ethics and the “Orlanth power” had to oppose him, leaving him defenceless against the demon.

    It (now) appears that Broyan’s situation is more complex. He was likely killed because of a different issue, see [1]. However, that does not rule out the assumptions of the worshipers tying into the power that they offered him leaving him defenseless against the Kitori…

    [1] http://www.glorantha.com/forums/glorantha-group1/glorantha-discussions-forum1/the-kitori-and-the-death-of-broyan-thread221/#postid-1947

Viewing 8 posts - 1 through 8 (of 8 total)

The forum ‘Glorantha Discussions’ is closed to new topics and replies.

Powered by WordPress. Designed by WooThemes