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  • #6491
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    Lawrence:
    Steve is located about halfway between Ottawa and Montreal. He was the guy who introduced me to role playing in the mid seventies.
    Rod Robertson

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    In Under the Red Moon p. 101 in a sidebar box about the Temples of the Reaching Moon we are told that evil and criminal folk are sacrificed to Yara Aranis to feed the Goddess and the Glowline and to provide the temple with enslaved spirits. What do these sacrifices have to do with the maintenance of the Glow-line? Are they merely to satisfy the appetite of the Demon Goddess or do they actually power or reinforce the Glow-line?
    What is the causal connection between the power of the Silver Shadow to stabilize and enhance Lunar magic and the Glow-line’s ability to do the same? Is the Glow-line just an extension of the Silver Shadow or is it a different phenomenon altogether? Do the Temples of the Reaching Moon Change the magical energy of the Silver Shadow into something different or simply transmit that energy over a wider area? In terrestrial Physics terms do the Temples of the Reaching Moon “transform” the Silver Shadow “energy” into Glow-line “energy” or simply “transfer” Silver Shadow “energy” to a new area? I know some will object to the use of the word energy but short of “mana” I cannot come up with a proper term and mana is not a term used in Physics.
    Rod Robertson.

    #6468
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    Steve:
    Your profile picture looks like me in a funny helmet! Welcome aboard.Valind and Himle are certainly having a party at our expense. It was -28 C when I left for work yesterday and it warmed up nicely to -19 C by the afternoon. Not a day for kilts or skirts! I’ll go check out your Roll20 site now. Best wishes and seasons greetings.
    Rory.

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    Peter:
    So not four separate “realities”, but four separate “Gestalts”. That is quite a different take on the issue; but given the magical nature of Glorantha, I think you can see why we all jumped to a more literal interpretation. So, if I understand you correctly, you are saying this should be viewed more like a four-way philosophical interaction or “kulturekampf” in the Middle World than an ontological collision of different mythical pathways on the Hero-plane and God-plane which shapes and/or reshapes Gloranthan reality?
    Rod Robertson

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    So, I thought David nailed it down above but, the statement by Jeff has caused me some confusion. The Telmori Cursed-ones have a chaos taint when in involuntary wolf-form if they are normally human and in human-form if they are normally wolf. However, in their unaltered form they have no chaos taint. I assume that there is no chaos taint when they voluntarily go into wolf-form by using divine magic as this is normal Hsunchen magic which is quite “clean”? So they can be detected by Uroxi and Storm-bullers on Wildday’s eve and night but at no other time. Thus, assuming that at least one Uroxi has encountered one Telemori in altered form and survived to tell the story, then how do the House of Sartar and the Kheldon Queen justify their close ties to these people who are at times chaotic?
    A befuddled Rod Robertson.

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    Joerg, who created the desolate and chaotic land of Dorastor? It was Arkat King-troll who ravaged and cursed the land after defeating Gbaji/Nysalor and Arkat made it into the chaos-sump it is today. So, if the Arkat/Argrath can warp creation locally, could it not be done on a pan-Gloranthan scale, given enough power and skill. Now, I am not saying that Argrath can do that yet, but maybe if he apotheosized and became widely worshiped he might have the juice to do it. If the glow-line can be neutralized could not the forces of creation and Arachne-Solar’s net also be undone? Just pick at a few strands and the net unravels. Thus, could not the whole of Gloranthan creation itself be undone and replaced with the void? Where’s the Spike when you need it?
    Cheers.
    Rod Robertson.

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    Joerg, so when the Hidden Greens appear are they impinging upon the Middle World or is the Middle World impinging upon their separate reality? Which Argrath do you refer to? If it’s Argrath Dragonspear you speak of, are you implying that this ability is born out of his well documented draconic ties and possible familiarity with the draconic roots of creation? If so then this could be a very dangerous power, as it could undo the creation which is Glorantha? This could lead one to speculate that possibly, just possibly Argrath is the potential destroyer of everything ie. the Wakboth! Are the Orlanthi the unknowing supporters of that which they most fear? Ironically “light-bringer” in terrestrial Latin is “Lucifer” – the devil. I wonder if that Argrath is illuminated? Oh, now my head hurts!
    Cheers.
    Rod Robertson.

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    David, I dusted off all my Gloranthan materials this weekend and was ready to make a case for the chaos connection of the Telmori, but your citations make it pretty clear that Dorastor Land of Doom was an anomalous interpretation. I will point out that on p. 25 of the book it does explicitly say that the Cursed-ones are chaotic and thus offend the senses of Storm-bullers and Uroxi. This is not the case with Pure-ones who on p. 24 are said to be without chaos taint. But given the body of evidence which you have presented, I am now persuaded that the case is well made that DLoD was wrong and that the Telmori are not chaotic. Thanks for the clarification and the references. Cheers!
    Rod Robertson.

    #6414
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    And then there is this confusing analysis:
    http://glorantha.temppeli.org/digest/gd4/1997.04/2865.html
    From Dorastor Land of Doom we learn that Telmore is runically tied to the chaos rune. How is that not chaotic?
    What seemed so clear just minutes ago is no longer so.
    I hate Gbaji!
    Rod Robertson.

    #6413
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    After reading the discussion on this old MoonDesign page I am even more confused.
    http://moondesign.glorantha.com/forums/glorantha-discussions/purifying-telmori-take-two
    Rod Robertson.

    #6412
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    David:
    Wow! It never occurred to me that Gbaji’s curse would not carry the taint of chaos. My incorrect memory was that the “pure ones” had no taint but that most Telemori did manifest as chaos. I also never made the connection between the Telmori curse and the Trollkin curse. But nor did I ever attribute chaotic taint to trollkin. Now it seems so clear. Thank you for clearing that up for me. I guess it’s time to go back and retread the sources with a more critical eye.
    Cheers.
    Rod Robertson

    #6408
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    Glass, hmmm! Well I wasn’t expecting that! Back to the drawing board for me and the next time the players pass by the area are they in for a surprise. The Fortress of Solitude in Prax; who’d have guessed. Is Lex Luthor going to be the next incarnation of Moonson? He has got the right hairdo it seems. My head spins (and no, its not hanging from a belt!…yet.).
    Cheers and thanks for the challenge.
    Rod Robertson.

    #6407
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    I may be revealing tremendous ignorance here, but I have always wondered how the House of Sartar and later Kallyr Starbrow reconciled their close alliances with the Telmori and the taint of chaos which the wolf-folk possess? Are the Telmori ambassadors all Pure-ones or were the House of Sartar and Kallyr sufficiently open-minded to overlook that annoying detail in their desire for political expediency? I use the phrase open-minded instead of illuminated because I do not wish to impune the reputations of either the Royal House or the Kheldon Queen.
    Cheers.
    Rod Robertson.

    #6390
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    Jeff, when you write crystalline do you mean like granite (opaque but reflective when polished) or like quartz (Translucent/Transparent and highly reflective)?
    This is intriguing!
    Cheers.
    Rod Robertson.

    #6387
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    Is the map of the wastes with the Rhino Graze on it a black and white map? If so, it is probably the one which appears in the Book of Drastic Resolutions – Prax. I have always assumed that it was a moderately more fertile and better watered part of the wastes traditionally dominated by the Rhino folk. But clearly I am wrong. Sigh!
    Best wishes.
    Rod Robertson

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