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    The monk could also be a Teshnan; they are sun worshipers but with many influences from Kralorela, including mystical monks. They’re also slightly less insular which might help explain why she’s off in Dragon Pass.

    She could be there for many reasons: in a magical mirror, she saw an image of a grand Sun Dome temple in far away lands and wants to make contact with these distant sun worshipers; her life-flame inspired her to wander in that direction for unknown reasons; she was somehow reincarnated into a body of an Orlanthi and retained all her memories of her previous life.

    Orlanthi would still treat the monk as a strange foreigner I’d imagine, either aggressively or suspiciously. At least Teshnans worship gods though.

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    I’m pretty sold with the ‘pure annihilation’ thing, it makes the most sense for me.
    I was thinking about chaos features the other day and I thought that those features could be the universe trying to repair itself haphazardly- if there’s a gap in the universe, it can be filled with a tentacle or an extra eye or two, at least those things belong in the universe to some extent.

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    I think I understand, so chaos isn’t anything or it is absence. So, a Fonritian slaveowner could eliminate a slave’s desire for freedom (rather than suppress it) using chaos magic, and similarly perhaps a chaos healer could eliminate mental trauma by simply blinking it out of existence rather than through therapy. In most cases an absolute elimination or ‘perversion’ of a concept (no matter how small) could understandably be conceived as something evil.

    Robin:
    I’m not sure if we are disagreeing with each other or not! But you’re absolutely right- Fonritians practice murder, torture and rape and even the slaves don’t want to be free. But (at least in my imagination) they’re doing this to preserve a sacred and important balance and the fact that society is completely unequal and lopsided, without any meritocratic or democratic elements is only just. They’re showing compassion by doing what we would consider heinous.

    Charles:
    I haven’t got that far through the guide yet, I’m still in the early hundreds. It sounds very interesting!

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    There’s a lot of contradictory suggestions here, so I guess there isn’t a fairly cut and dry answer to this question.

    Eric & Edan:
    So then what does chaos represent when used righteously? If Ompalam’s (and the other worshiped gods’) use of chaos is good, then it must have meaning outside the definition of ‘evil’.

    Peter:
    Your personal theory makes sense to me- that the chaotic nature of Fonritian gods were unknown, except that it seems strange that a civilisation could not know such a great detail about their most intimate gods. There’s an image on this website (eight major cultures) and in the guide of a pair of Fonritians standing under an aged and cracked pillar baring the chaos rune, if your theory is correct, then they must have understood this rune to mean something different.

    Roko:
    I sort of get that chaos is the opposite of the cosmos, I just don’t understand what the opposite of the cosmos is. It clearly has some nasty effects (taint, monsters, evil etc) whatever it is.
    The Guide specifically says Ompalam has the chaos rune, so he must be chaotic.
    If evil has chaos at its root, does that mean that prior to the introduction of chaos there was no evil? I think evil and chaos must be separate things because there are events which happened before chaos which could be described as ‘evil’, like many events in the God’s War. There’s obviously a link between the two concepts however.
    I like the idea that some might say ‘evil is a necessary part of the world’ though, in which case Ompalam could be both good and evil for the benefit of the world harmony.

    Pentallion:
    I would like to hear that story! I don’t think the Fonritians are Videlian though, at least the Guide separates them quite clearly. Though they’re obviously affected very much by Videlian culture.

    Robin:
    Your view of Fonrit is very different to mine! I would say most Fonritians are, like most people, selfless and considerate; even if their political institutions are very corrupt. Even the most conservative Fonritians- those who devote their lives to slavery in all aspects, have pity for people who aren’t slaves.

    David:
    If chaos is “an unordered self”, then what is disorder?
    I hadn’t gotten to the end of the guide yet, those plates are awesome! But I wouldn’t say the goal of all chaos Gods is the destruction of all things (is it?), just as wind gods and death gods want different things.

    Thanks for your answers everyone!

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    Even so, I would still imagine they think their society as a just one. There are millions of people in Fonrit, they can’t all think of themselves as malevolent. I would doubt more than a handful do.

    There must be other cultures who worship chaos entities to bring about goodness. Some Lunars worship the Crimson Bat and I’m sure they think they are doing it for the benefit of humanity. The Lunars think that chaos is a part of the universe, so then what does the chaos rune imply?

    From what I know, it seems inconceivable that it could mean either the will to destroy the universe or malevolence.

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