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  • #7451
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    The capitalization of “god(s)/goddess(es)”, and of other words that appear in descriptors/epithets, is inconsistent. Even if the rule is “capitalize it if it’s an epithet a Gloranthan would use”, it’s inconsistent.

    I reviewed the first 100 pages by doing a Find for “god” but probably won’t have the energy to review the other 700. It’s better you review it yourself anyway, since you’re the authority on what counts as an in-world epithet. But here’s what I did review. My hope is that this at least convinces you that the capitalization is not currently as consistent as it could be.

    p. 25: one Women’s Goddess has Goddess in caps and the other does not.

    p. 31 goddess of the Dawn, Theya -> maybe capitalize

    p. 35 Earth goddess -> maybe capitalize

    p. 37 maybe capitalize war god? compare with “War Gods” on p. 14.

    p. 37, list of Orlanthi gods – You should review this. For example, note that the first word in the Issaries list, “speech”, is not capitalized; for another example, compare “men’s god” and “women’s goddess” to the capitalization(s)
    of “Women’s Goddess” on p. 25.

    p. 37 “storm god’s” in the middle column -> maybe capitalize

    p. 37 “plow god” -> maybe capitalize

    p. 42 “God of armies” -> maybe capitalize Armies
    p. 41-42 probably worth reviewing the whole Pelorian list for the way epithet terms are capitalized

    p. 42 “god of Law” / “god of Good” -> maybe capitalize

    p. 42 “war god Shargash” -> maybe capitalize

    p. 42 “storm gods” -> maybe capitalize (compare to Storm Gods in a number of other places)

    p. 47 you should review all the epithets/descriptors in the Fonrit list

    p. 48 “god of Sky Water” -> maybe capitalize

    p. 57 you should review the Kralorela list

    p. 66 “Goddess of Spring and new birth” -> maybe capitalize New Birth

    p. 81 “storm gods” -> maybe capitalize (compare as before)

    p. 81 “Air gods” -> maybe capitalize both words, or maybe lower-case both words

    p. 97 – you should review the troll god list

    p. 102 “goddesses of Night” – maybe capitalize

    #7452
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    Other stuff I noticed in the capitalization review:

    p. 35 “Their history and legends include several famous women warriors associated with the bloodthirsty goddess, Babeester Gor, or Humakt, God of War and Death.” -> Remove the comma after goddess and possibly add “with” before Humakt.

    p. 37 “A special cult of the war god, Humakt, is popular, as is the cult of Urox the Storm Bull, the fanatical warrior against Chaos.” -> Remove the commas after war god and after Humakt

    p. 41 In the PDF, something is funny about the way the red box is indexed. If you try to do a Find for “god”, it skips over the red box. And if you start with the cursor inside the red box on the first usage of Red Goddess, and do a backward Find for “god”, it jumps back to “Rebel Gods” on p. 39.

    p. 91 “stunted hideous” -> “stunted and hideous”

    p. 102, Koromondol – p. 267 says that “many follow” Blood Sun in Koromondol, so that god might be worth a mention here.

    p. 102 “one part of Gbaji, the evil god, buried” -> “one part of the evil god Gbaji, buried”

    #7454
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    Quote:
    Quote from Roko Joko on April 8, 2014, 00:39
    p. 35 “Their history and legends include several famous women warriors associated with the bloodthirsty goddess, Babeester Gor, or Humakt, God of War and Death.” -> Remove the comma after goddess and possibly add “with” before Humakt.

    p. 37 “A special cult of the war god, Humakt, is popular, as is the cult of Urox the Storm Bull, the fanatical warrior against Chaos.” -> Remove the commas after war god and after Humakt

    A liberal use of commas is a feature of the Guide; it’s too late to start taking them out, and there’s no need to. These sentences read fine with the commas, which are used to mark where slight pauses would occur naturally when reading out loud. I’ve gone with a “New Yorker magazine style of grammar” with my edits, and that seems to be what the Guide has taken on overall.

    As for “God/god/Hero/hero/Rune/rune/etc.”, things might be a little uneven but are far better than they were earlier, and might even add a little verisimilitude and variety to an epic amount of text.

    For me, I view “Storm Gods” as talking about all of the pantheon participating in a God Time event (“The Storm Gods mustered to defeat the Sea Gods.”), capitalize the big Runic pantheons (“The Earth pantheon.”), capitalize proper titles of deities as you say, but generally leave powers/pantheons uncapitalized. Otherwise how would the capitalization in this (contrived example) be handled?: “The confused inhabitants of this land worship an eclectic mix of earth, death, light, air, fertility, plant, cold, and river gods and goddesses.”

    IMO two exceptions are Darkness and Chaos which should always be capitalized.

    RICK SEZ: commas will stay. ps: darkness and chaos will not always be capitalized. After darkness falls the market can descend into chaos…

    #7457
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    Guy Jobbins
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    P.192, the black and white map of Balazar & the Elder Wilds is truncated to the western side – the city of Elkoi is only half there.

    RICK SEZ: It’s a political map. Geographical maps on 194-195 show it and more.

    #7459

    P. 401: Table of Contents: […] Wastelands (Just like _the_ Holy Country as well as _the_ Lunar Empire in the Table of Contents on p. 5 of Volume I, the Wastelands should only be written as “Wastelands” .)

    P. 438: […] Wastelands (Same as above.)

    P. 443: “The Wastelands were inhabited only by Chaos creatures until Waha led many of his people beyond […] Vulture Country… “

    P. 449: Eggs on Rocks (oasis): “The stony ground surrounding this oasis [is] home to flocks of hardy birds.”

    P. 450: Greystone […] Well […](oasis): “[…] Occasionally… “

    P. 450: Head […] Acres: […] The […] North […] and […] South… “

    P. 456: Wahafanzali: “… the bleakest grassland in the Wastelands, except for […] Vulture Country. “

    #7460

    Holy Country

    P. 244: Asrelia’s Runes: Life-Earth-Luck & Ty Kora Tek’s Runes: Death-Earth-Fate Cf. p. 152.

    P. 254: Ezel: “… gifts both great and small from supplicants [from] all over Glorantha.”

    RICK SEZ: Fixed.

    #7461

    All the “Places of Interest” are (or should be!?!) in italics, which implies that the “:” following should also be italicized. Unfortunately this is very often not the case! See already the very first “Places of Interest” on p. 179.

    RICK SEZ: Alda-chur is in italics. (first para in places of interest on 179.)

    #7462

    Dragon Pass

    P. 177: Rare Events: “Chaotic events occur nearby: ambushes and rioting by conservative tribesmen.” Appropriate for Tarsh, but not for the Grazelands?

    P. 179: Old Tarsh: “It was Orios the Fool (1440-1448) who learned that the Mad [Sultan is] held within [his] territory by magical means, but that those safeguards are broken whenever any invader crosses [its] border. [The Mad Sultan] and [his] followers burst upon the Provinces like a crazed god in [his] death-throes, burning and killing and pillaging as they went, … ” “The rampaging army was eventually redirected towards Dorastor,  although [the Red] Emperor was slain in the fighting.”

    P. 179: Alda-Chur: “… with the aid of [the] Yelmalio cult.”

    P. 183 Dragon’s Eye: “Here lives the Inhuman King, a True Dragon incarnated in a lesser body, […] who rules the dragonewts of Dragon Pass.”

    Or:

    “Here lives the Inhuman King, a True Dragon incarnated in a lesser body […] who rules the dragonewts of Dragon Pass.”

    “Dragonewt roads connect [the] Dragon’s Eye to the other dragonewt cities of Dragon Pass. “

    P. 183: Dragonewt Cities: “… connected to each other and [the] Dragon’s Eye… “

    P. 184: Far Place: “Between 1582 and [1610,]  the area was part of Sartar, but since 1611 its rulers have pledged loyalty to Tarsh.”

    P. 185: Grizzly Peak: “… its body [lays] like a great hill…”

    P. 188: Skull [Hill] (It’s a hill not a ruin. The maps should also be corrected!)

    Elder Wilds

    P. 191: History: “When the Second Council unveiled a plan to construct a god, the trolls objected heavily and withdrew, followed shortly [thereafter] by the dragonewts. “

    #7463
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    Page 308 Both Elz Ast and Yuthuppa have the Large City dot-within-a-square symbol instead of the Metropolis solid square symbol.

    #7464
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    Page 312 Joranit is also given the Large City symbol rather than the Metropolis symbol.

    #7467
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    Martin Helsdon
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    Index Modifications/Additions

    Here’s the first batch; more to follow, probably tomorrow.

    There are many new entries; use or discard as you wish – they might help fill some gaps. Those marked with an asterisk denote existing entries but with extra pages – which an Indexing Application won’t have found because of a difference in case or terminology. There may be a few others that overlap with existing entries.

    An 511

    Ban 51, 99, 141, 144, 145, 200, 201, 202, 203, 205, 206, 208, 211, 212, 215, 216, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 224, 225, 227, 228, 230, 232, 233, 298, 301, 316, 318, 324, 325, 327, 747

    Crater 13, 141, 296, 307, 317, 318, 338, 646
    [This entry might be deleted as superfluous: The Crater 141, 296, 317, 318]

    Creation 21, 78, 113, 123, 141, 154, 203, 373, 497, 529, 620, 665, 678, 680, 697, 728

    Deep 251, 254, 458, 461, 681, 687

    Furthest 12, 168, 175, 184, 185, 189, 240, 292, 310, 328, 339, 738, 742

    Giant (mountain) 227, 392 393

    giant aphids 61

    giant armadillos 618

    giant army ants 541

    giant automaton 506

    giant bat 562

    giant beaver 397

    giant bees 597

    giant beetles 97, 631

    giant biting flies 631

    giant blue catfish 638

    giant boars 93

    giant butterfly 513

    giant chimpanzee 513

    giant crabs 463, 465, 482

    giant cradle 229, 443, 445, 454, 455, 456, 734, 735

    giant cranes 248, 736

    giant crocodiles 635

    giant flowers 182, 597

    giant frogs 329, 331

    giant fungi 99

    giant gorp 344

    giant hawks 193

    giant insects 466

    giant mantis shrimp 460, 463

    giant mastodon 227

    giant otters 361, 638

    giant peripatuses 634

    giant puffins 459

    giant redwoods 613, 639

    giant sable antelope 27, 29, 363, 451

    giant scorpion 441

    giant sloths 618

    giant spiders 705

    giant stork 329, 331

    giant storm ram 342

    Giant Troll 92, 545, 745 * [also combines troll/trolls]

    giant turtles 470, 485

    giant walktapus 182, 487

    giant wasps 190, 571, 706

    giant white crocodile 480

    giant white shark 480

    giant worms 452

    giants 84, 135, 162, 175, 177, 188, 190, 191, 193, 197, 198, 205, 211, 228, 264, 268, 342, 347, 362, 393, 443, 445, 450, 454, 455, 456, 457, 483, 515, 516, 519, 580, 588, 613, 635, 638, 639, 659, 704, 709, 728, 734, 737, 738

    Imperial (coin) 12

    Imperial (language of Vormain) 55, 528

    Imperial Capital 727

    Imperial Court 294, 299, 313, 721 *

    Imperial Cult 294, 310 *

    Imperial Government 38

    Imperial law 299

    Imperial Orb of Authority 668

    Imperial Pyramid 727

    Imperial Regalia 668

    Imperial Temple 264, 285 *

    Imperial Two Star General 168

    Imperial Yelm 117

    Lunar Imperial (coin) 12

    Mask (of Cottel) 314

    Mask (of Gbaji) 386

    Mask (of Tada) 456

    Mask (of the Great Sister) 312

    Mask (of the Red Emperor) 295, 302, 309, 314, 318, 325, 748

    Mask (of Votank) 197

    Nest 108

    Old 452

    Opening 43, 46, 54, 142, 144, 145, 208, 239, 249, 257, 258, 260, 268, 350, 411, 413, 421, 459, 463, 465, 466, 482, 506, 509, 513, 525, 531, 558, 570, 602, 641

    Opening of the Seas 239, 249, 257, 350, 353, 465, 466

    Pillar 372, 644, 668, 723

    River 107, 160, 182, 183, 188, 237, 244, 245, 255, 256, 257

    Sartar (Hero) 12, 73, 78, 141, 169, 171, 172, 174, 177, 179, 182, 183, 185, 188, 259, 441, 452, 651, 659, 704, 738

    Sartar 11, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 70, 74, 79, 80, 120, 144, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 175, 177, 179, 182, 183, 184, 185, 187, 188, 189, 190, 229, 237, 239, 240, 241, 249, 255, 257, 259, 295, 296, 307, 329, 330, 331, 338, 339, 441, 444, 445, 449, 452, 457, 659, 724, 728, 729, 730, 732, 733, 734, 736, 738, 740, 742, 747, 750

    Temple 407, 409

    The Islands 242, 248

    Throne (in Dagori Inkarth) 190, 443

    Throne Mountain 227, 392, 393

    Zoo 259

    #7469
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    Quote from Kevin McDonald on April 5, 2014, 02:47
    Maps on pages 472, 473, 572, 571, 589, 599 and 609 are hexless, unlike the other similar maps in the book.

    RICK SEZ: If they had hexes they would be so tiny they would only make the map look bad.

    But they are the same scale as other maps that DO have hexes! I don’t really care if they have hexes or not, as long as all maps at the same scale are presented the same way. Consistency and all that.

    Awesome book, by the way. Absolutely mind-blowing.

    -KP

    Update: I went back and checked. You are right, Rick. The problem is more of maps that have hexes that shouldn’t than ones that don’t that should. I humbly submit that the following maps be de-hexed in Book 2:

    425, 442, 487, 490, 497, 498, 517, 536, 542, 543 and 549.

    Book 1 fares better. I submit that hexes be removed from:

    230, 231, 284 and 293

    #7480
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    Martin Helsdon
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    Index entry:
    City of 10 331, 334
    Should be:
    City of 10,000 Magicians 331, 334

    RICK SEZ: Fixed.

    #7481
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    Martin Helsdon
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    Index Issues

    One thing that may require attention is the ordering of the index: the alphanumeric sort places ‘(‘ after alphabetics, but it might be more sensible if these entries were placed immediately after the ‘standard’ entry so that Arkat (constellation), for example, is listed immediately after Arkat.

    Below is a list of entries with the page numbers that relate to the actual ‘item’.

    Arkat (constellation) 644, 647
    Bagog 109, 153, 700
    Bagog (constellation) 647
    Celestial City 642, 643, 644, 647
    Celestial Desert 642, 643, 644
    Celestial Fields 642, 643, 644
    Celestial Forest 642, 643, 644
    Celestial River 139, 151, 158, 188, 642, 643, 644, 647, 648, 700
    Cat (island) 496
    Cow (island) 496
    Dragon (constellation) 77, 644, 647, 732
    Hunt (constellation) 644, 647
    Kalikos 117, 155, 313, 664, 739
    Kalikos (star) 648, 649
    lead (metal) 12, 13, 16, 84, 97, 231, 271, 383, 454, 466, 657
    Lorion (god) 151, 640, 648
    Lorion (constellation) 642, 644, 646, 648
    Maiden (mountain) 227, 392, 393
    Priest (mountain) 277, 392, 393
    Rabbit (island) 496
    Rausa 121, 123, 158, 159, 469, 642, 690
    Rausa (jumper) 648
    Sword (constellation) 643, 648
    Theya 31, 236, 642
    Theya (jumper) 562, 648
    Tree (constellation) 644, 648
    Whisperers (constellation) 643, 648
    Youth (constellation) 112, 642, 643, 644
    Youth (Star) 645, 647

    Suggested new entry:

    Sword (priest) 129

    These might be combined:
    Watchpost 225, 227, 392
    Watchpost Mountain 225

    #7482
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    Martin Helsdon
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    Page 656: multiple instances of Dragon Spine; usage everywhere else (and on this page) is Dragonspine.

    In the Index:
    Dragonspine 160, 183, 235, 237, 656, 718
    Dragonspine Mountains 160
    Dragonspine Range 183, 237

    [Not suggesting these should be combined.]

    RICK SEZ: Fixed.

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