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    Gerard Crowe
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    Some questions on being outlawed, specifically in Sartar although it probably applies to most Orlanthi lands

    If someone is outlawed, is there any outward sign of it? Are they marked or branded in some way, are their clan tattoos spoiled, or any other permanent indication?

    If someone is outlawed within the a tribe, would they be treated with the same status in a rival tribes lands? Would they be welcomed? Or just treated as a neutral?

    If someone is outlawed and forced to flee, would they ever take their family with them, or is the family more likely to remain within the clan? How would they typically be treated if they stayed?

    Thanks
    Gerry

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    Robin Mitra
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    If someone is outlawed, is there any outward sign of it? Are they marked or branded in some way, are their clan tattoos spoiled, or any other permanent indication?

    – An outlaw would lose her clan tattoos. Many clans also practise certain obvious fashions, such as braids or jewellery. They would probably lose those as well. Also remember that Orlanthi do talk to their neighbours. People trade, meet on markets, arrange marriages and so on. Having someone outlawed would certainly be spread like a wildfire. Additionally the outlaw would reveal herself during the Orlanthi Greeting, when she is unable to name her clan.

    If someone is outlawed within the a tribe, would they be treated with the same status in a rival tribes lands? Would they be welcomed? Or just treated as a neutral?

    – First of all, tribes don’t outlaw people, clans do. Most neutral or friendly clans would treat an outlaw with the utmost suspicion. They would not grant the outlaw hospitality, maybe not even permission to cross their lands. It could be different for enemy clans, but not necessarily. Remember that even enemy clans could be within one tribe. Also giving hospitality to an outlaw might cause a lot of trouble and political tension that may not be wanted, even for enemy clans. Last but not least the reason for the outlawry may be important for the other clans’ treatment. Did the outlaw commit kinstrife, adultery, rape? That could be no-gos. Did he openly kill a Woodpecker weapon thane? Well, then she might be welcomed by the Greydog clan.

    If someone is outlawed and forced to flee, would they ever take their family with them, or is the family more likely to remain within the clan?

    – The concept of family is alien to the Sartarites. There are only clans, bloodlines and clan members. Also nobody would “take” anybody. As for the question if some of the loved ones would willingly go with the outlaw: Yes, maybe. After all “Nobody can make you do anything.” But they would weaken their clan, because the the clan needs everybody to plough the fields, herd the cattle and defend the tula.

    How would they typically be treated if they stayed?
    – That depends very much on the way they acted prior to the outlawry.

    There also another issue. I don’t know whether this is canon, but in my Glorantha an outlaw would immediately lose all her clan abilities. If you run a Sartarite series, I recommend you do the Clan Questionnaire. You find it in the Sartar book and online: http://www.glorantha.com/site-apps/clan/sartar.html It will also show what abilities every clan member has. If the person gets outlawed, she is not a clan member anymore, i.e. she loses all those abilities instantly (and maybe only realises it when they are desperately needed).

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    disenchanter
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    Since clan abilities are stuff members of the clan can do due to traditions, and not magical abilities, it probably does not make sense to loose them when declared an Outlaw?
    They include stuff like “Herd Sheep”, “Riding”, “Hunting” and other special skills that others usually gain as part of their trade, but members learn just by being part of a clan with strong traditions in that thing.

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    Charles
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    The Orlanthi have two types of outlawry.
    Full outlaws usually have transgressed the most fundamental laws of society, laws where there can be no recompense. Their link to their community is magically broken and this often also removes their link to their deity.
    Lesser outlaws are often victims of tribal politics. Lesser outlaws are often given until the following sacred time to settle their affairs and after sacred time they must leave. The lesser outlawry is usually a fixed period of 1 year. They do not lose their magical links to the community.

    #8519
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    Gerard Crowe
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    Thanks everyone for some very helpful answers.

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